Lamps for turtles

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Lamps for turtles

Post by Romski » Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:17 pm

At the International Freshwater Breeders meeting in March 2012 Mrs Frances Baines gave a talk on reptile lighting.
Frances Baines is a retired veterinary surgeon who researches UV lighting for reptiles, and carries out independent, unbiased testing of all brands of UVB lamps used in vivaria. These Vids and photographs show some of her methods in testing the many brands and models of lamp available to the hobby currently.

We start with a short vid that shows how the diagrams work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUu24MNO ... TOQhzO4_Vc


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This lamp had masses of output and would be good for the biggest animals.

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This one would be most suitable to our turts and had easily the best spread of UV and light

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A stunning lamp but V pricey.Very white light

[img]httphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUu24MNO2Ho&con ... 150wD3.jpg[/img]


The chart colours do give a strength value in UV index terms. They were based on the use of a Solar tech UV meter 6.5. The diagrams are full sized representation of the light being irradiated.

For temperate tortoises/turts that use partial shade and are not full sun baskers a background UV value of .7 to 1.0 is appropriate (tube) and 1.1 to 3.0 UVi for UV provided via a flood lamp.


For temperate tortoises/turts that use open or partial sun, are thermophilic; a background UV value of 1.0 to 2.6 is appropriate (tube) and 2.9 to 7.4 UVI for UV provided via a flood lamp.

For my turts which includes spotties, painteds etc a a UVI of 1.0 to 2.0 provided by a tube is just fine.

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Re: Lamps for turtles

Post by MikeC » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:34 pm

I will break the stunned silence by saying ..

Thanks Rom, this is good reference information. Worth considering for any future habitat designs.

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Post by terrapin two » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:33 pm

Here is another link: http://www.uvguide.co.uk/phototherapyphosphor-info.htm regarding using bulbs above 5.0 uvb I found via link.
Another bit of info worth a look I think? less specific but interesting.
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Re: Lamps for turtles

Post by Turtle Jo » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:44 pm

terrapin two wrote:Here is another link: http://www.uvguide.co.uk/phototherapyphosphor-info.htm regarding the dangers of using bulbs above 5.0 uvb.
Another bit of info worth regarding I thought?
That's Frances Baines' site, who gave the talk at the European Freshwater Turtle Breeders Convention... as per Rom's original post ;)
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Re: Lamps for turtles

Post by terrapin two » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:54 pm

Turtle Jo wrote:
terrapin two wrote:Here is another link: http://www.uvguide.co.uk/phototherapyphosphor-info.htm regarding the dangers of using bulbs above 5.0 uvb.
Another bit of info worth regarding I thought?
That's Frances Baines' site, who gave the talk at the European Freshwater Turtle Breeders Convention... as per Rom's original post ;)
I had only just read it and came to the forum to share and came across this thread so I just added it on. I just watched the first link, thanks rom. More informative than the link I came across.
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Post by Eversfield » Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:02 am

MikeC wrote:I will break the stunned silence by saying ..

Thanks Rom, this is good reference information. Worth considering for any future habitat designs.
Indeed, thanks Rom for a most illuminating post..... excuse the pun. However, this thread hopefully provides links to a much better understanding of this important topic.
For many Terrapin keepers, the fact they keep what are essentially "basking Terrapins" ; Sliders/ Cooters etc, this subject is not only relevant, but with long term health in mind vital!!
That said, it should also be recognised that the best source of complete environmental lighting is natural unfiltered sunlight. Therefore, particularly in respect of the North American, temperate species an out door secure enclosure for the Spring, Summer and Autumn can be a real asset in good husbandry.

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Re: Lamps for turtles

Post by Maria » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:23 pm

Meant to reply to this yesterday but didn't have time....very informative indeed Rom, thanks, I personally think this topic is mis-understood by many and posts such as these can really help clear up confusion about having proper lighting.
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Re: Lamps for turtles

Post by Romski » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:27 pm

We have been talking lamps here and there so I thought I would do some playing.
This vid compares 4 lamps not for their UV outpiut but more for their heat output.

I hope its of interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVGIBKz_QoE

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Re: Lamps for turtles

Post by Zekee » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:36 pm

That's a great experiment Rom, I will be off out to pick up some new lights tomorrow. Thank you for all the help and for doing that experiment. ~fn-hdbng

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Re: Lamps for turtles

Post by Romski » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:00 pm

An update chums.

This is part two. My torties have not had a chance to warm up today deliberately. I lit up the lamps for an hour then put in the crusties and let them get on with the business of selecting their lamp.

http://youtu.be/40y3lxbsoxs

This is not a "rigorous" experiment, statistically it is unsound and I know that the animals can be temperamental and they have just been introduced to place they have not seen for a year. So please dont give me grief that all of this is unsound. I know already.

It is interesting though.

For part three I have taken out the Halide lamp and replaced the 100w D3 with a cheapo 120w from Homebase.

More later....

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